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Australian Ex. Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s message to Muslims in Australia (Post is reported to be a hoax, but we leave it on TMT as the reactions are in fact quite interesting).

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Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques. Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT… Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’

‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.’

‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!’

‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’

‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’

‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’

‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’

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150 Responses to Australian Ex. Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s message to Muslims in Australia (Post is reported to be a hoax, but we leave it on TMT as the reactions are in fact quite interesting).

  1. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    November 26, 2012 at 6:51 am

    Readers views are welcome!

    My own view is that she has a point. A democracy is a dictatorship of the majority and the majority happens to be Christian (sort of) in Australia. On the other hand she could have stated it a bit more diplomatic.

    Each section of immigrants should be free to practice its own religion and culture, but without forcing others to adapt. On the other hand some compromise is always good in the interest of ‘good neighborly relations’.

    What are your views?

  2. Hibatur Rehman

    November 26, 2012 at 7:51 am

    I would say to Prime Minister Julia Gillard “Well Said”. Please dont forget the way some of our Muslim brothers want to impose their own views over the host nation, it leaves no alternative to the hosts but to throw the diplomacy to the wind and be blunt.

  3. Zia H. Shah

    November 26, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Thank you brothers for your comments.

    I would like to draw the attention of Australian Prime Minister to the fact that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has always believed in Separation of Mosque-Church and State. In Pakistan and other so called Muslim countries, we have been victims of state sponsored persecution. For example, in Pakistan, in 1974, we were declared non-Muslims by the then National Assembly and Prime Minister of Pakistan. In 1984, General Zia ul Haq, who was in liaison with many of the Islamic political parties promulgated extreme laws against us, the notorious 1984 ordinance.

  4. Ghulam Sarwar

    November 26, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    The state edict (of Pakistan) has no value. Nobody would support it. For example: King Pharoah of Egypt called Moses (a.s.) a Kafir. It is recorded in the Quran. (See verse 26:19/20)

    Jesus (a.s.)was convicted as infidel, fit to be killed on the cross, by the Governor Pilate on the insistence of the elders of old time Jews.

    Hazrat Hussain (a.s.) was declared as infidel, fit to be killed by the Qadhi Sharie of Kufa. On that edict, he wrote “Bismillah…..” i.e. in the name of Allah…….. Hussain is fit to be killed.

    I am sure no sane person will agree to the government edict of 1974 and 1984 which was issued against Jama’at Ahmadiyah on the insistence of the maulvis.

    If the government fatwa is to be believed as correct then the previous fatwas against Hazrat Mosa and Isa and Hussain (a.s.) should also be accepted as good and valid. I am sure no Muslim will accept them as valid.

  5. Ghulam Sarwar

    November 26, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    As a further comment to the above, I would say the Prime Minister is right to some extent. We thank God that she believes in God. Australia is not a Godless country. Ahmadi Muslims have no problem living there.

    Ahmadi Muslims do not interfere in the local government matters. In most countries they are a victim of oppression by the governments. Ahmadis believe in the saying of Jesus (a.s) “Give unto Caesor what is Caesor’s and unto God what is God’s.” and Ahmadis believe to live in peace.

    Ahmadis had started a movement (appeal) telling the so called Muslims in America to “Live in peace or leave America.” I hope that is what the Prime Minister Julia Gillard is trying to say. She is right in giving notice to the trouble creators.

  6. Zarif Ahmad

    November 26, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    In the Name of Allah the Most Gracious Ever Merciful
    We do not support fanatic Mullahs, nor God of Islam Allah Support them as they create disorder in the earth for their vested interest while Allah clearly says in the Holy Quran, “Do not create disorder in the earth after peace has been established, and Allah does not like/love disorder.” at the same token I would like to say that Islam has very very peaceful teachings and advise its follower to love the country where you are living and follow its rules and regulations and obey the people in authority.
    State should be separated from church or Mosque or Synagog or Temple that is the way of Creating peace in a heterogeneous society, every one should be considered wise enough to decide goodness for himself or for herself, this is how a heterogeneous society could be turned into a homogeneous society. If Muslims want to live their lives according to Shariah Law let them do as their personal Law as any other person from any other faith should have the liberty to adopt their Religion as personal Law. At no cost any Muslim or follower of any other Religion should be permitted to create disorder in the Land/Society.
    Zarif Ahmad

  7. Husein Jasim Al Masri / Mafraq-Jordan

    November 27, 2012 at 2:28 am

    قيل يوم الاربعاء : “على المسلمين الذين يريدون العيش في ظل الشريعة الاسلامية الخروج من استراليا ، مشيرةً إلي أن الحكومة تستهدف الراديكاليين قالت ذلك رئيسة وزراء استراليا جوليا جيلارد في محاولة كما قالت لتفادي الهجمات الارهابية المحتملة , بشكل منفصل ، ومن جانب آخر أغضب بعض المسلمين رئيسة الوزراء الاسترالية جيلارد يوم الاربعاء باتهامها بإنها تدعم وكالات الاستخبارات لرصد المساجد ومراقبة المصلين في البلاد,
    اقتبس من تصريحاتها :
    ” المهاجرين غير الاستراليين ، يجب أن يتكيفون معنا … (خذه أو اتركه), أنا تعبت من أن هذه الأمة يقتلها القلق حول ما إذا كنا نعتدي فعلا على بعض الأفراد أو ثقافتهم , ومنذ الهجمات الإرهابية على بالي عانينا من زيادة في المشاعر الوطنية لدى ألغالبية من الاستراليين ”
    “وقد تم تطوير هذه الثقافة على مدى قرنين من النضالات ، والمحاكمات والانتصارات من قبل الملايين من الرجال والنساء الذين سعوا وبحثوا عن لحرية ”
    “نحن نتكلم الأنكليزية أساسا وليس الأسبانية أواللبنانية والعربية والصينية واليابانية والروسية، أو أي لغة أخرى لذلك، إذا كنت ترغب في أن تصبح جزءا من مجتمعنا تعلم لغتنا …!
    “معظم الأستراليين يؤمنون بالله, هذه ليست من اليمين المسيحي ، كما انها ليست بضغط سياسي ، ولكن هذا هو واقع الأمر، لأن الرجال والنساء المسيحيين وعلى الأسس المسيحية، تأسست هذه الأمة ، كما تم توثيق هذ بوضوح. فمن المؤكد أنها مناسبة جدا لعرضها على جدران مدارسنا , إذا كان إلهك يسيء لك، فإنني أقترح عليك النظر نحو مكان آخر من العالم، حيث يتوفر لك منزلا جديدا يناسبك ، وذلك لأن الله هو جزء من ثقافتنا “.
    ” لن نقبل بمعتقداتك، والسؤال لماذا لن نقبل , وكل ما نطلبه هو أن تقبل معتقداتنا، والعيش معنا وتحظى بالتمتع السلمي معنا. ”
    “هذا هو بلدنا ، أرضنا ، وأسلوب حياتنا ، ونحن سوف نوفر لك كل فرصة للتمتع بكل هذا. ولكن بمجرد بدأ تلك الشكوى، والأنين ، ورفضك رايتنا وقسمنا و معتقداتنا المسيحية ، أو حتى طريقتنا في الحياة ، فأنا أشجعك بشدة على الأستفادة من الميزات التي توفرها لك إحدى أعظم الحريات الأسترالية : ( لك الحق كل الحق في المغادره وقتما تشاء)
    “إذا لم تكن سعيدا هنا فعليك بالمغادرة. نحن لم نجبرك أن تأتي إلى هنا. أو يطلب منك أحد أن تكون هنا وبإرادتك وحدك تم قبول هذا البلد الذي قبلت “.
    اختياروترجمة : حسين المصري
    Muslim Times
    الجماعة الاسلاميه الاحمديه
    الاردن – المفرق

  8. Muhammad Azimul Haque

    November 27, 2012 at 4:39 am

    Well said! It’s time for we muslims to try integrate in the nations we live instead of crying for racism all the time. We should take ownership of our actions instead of blaming others or worse preaching conspiracy theories.

  9. Ahmed

    December 1, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Some nations on this planet would soon pay irreparable and grave cost of discriminate & irrational paving way for women to get the hold of leading positions. every time we hear something immature emotional remarks from these women. If she wants to do something against those fanatic and extremist Mullahs just kick them out, you do not need to make so much noise. It was your predecessors who handed in nurturing these bandits and thugs. And yet their policy makers meet Taliban officially in Qatar and either connive at their gulf allies’ support for these culprits or make use of these extremist Jihadis where they are needed right now in Syria..

    May I ask her few questions?

    1-Australian culture also reminiscent of planned and historic ethnic cleansing of native Australians. Those expeditors or Gillard’s ancestors’ culture and beliefs of 3 gods offended native Australians so why did her ancestors take some other place in this planet? some no-man lands?

    2-Why her ancestors took the control and started to preach their religion specially on those lands where it was extremely offensive I mean Muslim nations as her ancestor believe Muslims prophet a false one?

    But I do agree in one view with her that their belief in God is part of culture yes very true it is only part of your culture but not part of your faith any more.

    Of course that is not my concern at all, whosoever does not agree with me just wait and see.

    By the way as a matter of fact, there is very thin line difference between patriotism and racism

  10. Naseer

    January 5, 2013 at 10:54 am

    I listen this kind of sayings from some of the Christian leaders of the World that “leave the country if Muslims also want freedom of religion or culture”. I think it is bit of also rigididness and hardness found in some parts of christianity ; who want to bring the religion into government and deal with other religions same like other Muslim countries do like in Pakitan, India, etc. It is like bringing religion into state into power sharing so who ever has the majority can dictate the monority. Such kinds of behaviour on the part of First World is not a good sign for the opressed minorrities; even in Muslim majority countries same orders and advice can also be given to Christians, Jews and others. May Allah give wisdom to leaders of the Christianity ! Amen.

  11. Anisa

    January 11, 2013 at 2:57 am

    She is quiet logical.

  12. Anisa

    January 11, 2013 at 3:03 am

    And I mean her this statement”We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.”

    It is quite logical. Can Muslim give this freedom to non Muslims in their rule? In fact this is Islam that Muslims have forgotten. Shriah law already perevail in Australia.. :)

  13. BriAn

    January 11, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    We are not allowed to go to any Muslim country and set up a Christian church. We would be arrested or encouraged to leave . Why do Muslim have the right to our country the try to set up Sheria law. Let stand up against this stuff. Lets not take this any more

  14. Zia H. Shah MD - Twitter: @ZiahShah1

    January 11, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    I agree with you Brian. You should not take it anymore.

    We need to have religious freedom every where in our planet.

    Let us tell all the Muslim countries in UN General Assembly that they need to open up and allow religious freedom for everyone, including Muslim minorities.

  15. SEO

    January 12, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Aslamo-e-Aliakum Wr Wb.

    What Julia said is what needs to be done and that too in a very short span of time. It is very easy to understand her “Logic” and that too a very clear cut statement.

    I was surprised when one of my Australian friend (Muslim, born and bred in Australia) told me whilst she was here in London last year in July, that there are several areas in Sydney and Brisbane where She as a Muslim dislikes consider going.

    She has told stories on how corrupt these Mullah’s are and people that promote terror and inhuman acts in Austalia, I guess it is not just Australia, we see it here in the UK, all the time too

    Looking at what we read online, most of these Mullahs keep the same behaviour, attitude and hardly do a good deed to locals, be it Australia or UK, They find a place to live, allowed to work, given equality, but no matter how cooperative locals are, these guys simply cannot change (perhaps, they do not want to change?)

    It was a very good point by Brian and Zia Sahib in General. Muslim countries need to provide expats with the same rights and give freedom of speech, so they can preach and practise as they choose.

    We all need to stand-up against these people (be it communities or individuals) which spread hate and terror and cause damages to the society, peace and equality, we have here.

  16. pmbinirl

    January 12, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    you go girl !

  17. Nora Mitchell

    January 12, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    This article has previously been exposed as a hoax.

    Australia is a multicultural society, and all people are welcome here. Without exception.

  18. Mark Henny

    January 18, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    This is a complete hoax that is roaming the internet. If you look up the same thing for the French Prime Minister is quoted saying the same exact thing.

    Please do your research people.

  19. MNA KHAN

    January 29, 2013 at 12:41 am

    1- I request Australian P.M to kindly amend your views according to UNO Human Right Charter as Australia is a member state of UNO.
    2-As long as I know and read the true Christianity like all other true Religion including True Islam gives freedom of belief to all human-beings.
    3-No peace loving human-being can support any kind of Terrorism or Extremism.
    4-The statement of Australian P.M strengthen the Ideology of Jammat-E-Ahmadiyya ( The True Islam, whose motto is ” LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NON” ) that the Separation of Church/Masque from the state became must in this age of Modernization and Human Respect.

  20. Bill

    January 30, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    She did not say this. It’s a hoax, there is not one shred of proof that she said it. Check your sources, and I don’t mean google, and stop spreading hate.

  21. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    January 30, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Bill: Thanks. Hoax or no Hoax, you will have noticed that in a way most of The Muslim Times readers agreed with the message. Loyality to the (new) homeland is a must.

  22. Aquil Hashim

    February 4, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    I am not a resident of Australia but the bottom line is that if you live in a country you must respect its laws.I am in complete agreement with the conclusion of the PM’s statement even though the preamble was a bit harsh.The Quran is the soul of the religion of Islam and the dictates are clear.Distorting the facts are the Mullahs who many a time do so to safeguard their own positions in the society and exploit the uneducated masses .The answer to the problem of Muslims the world over is education and understand and interpret the religion intelligently rather than be guided by these people.May Allah guide us correctly!

  23. Zubair Khan

    February 10, 2013 at 6:23 am

    Clarity of thoughts very much indicative of her statement. Being head of state has all the right to express her view point. Contents seem rationale and logical.

  24. Majid Piracha

    February 10, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I could not agree more as this all sounds so much very Human very,logical most practical and inline with the True Islamic Teaching Of God and All His Messengers throughout the world and for all belonging to Good Human Family.
    IT IS VERY ENCOURAGING TO SEE SUCH (TRUTH) AND JOIN THE TRUE MUSLIMS COMMUNITY WITH THE PRACTICAL LOVE FOR ALL AND NO HATE ATTITUDE BEING THE MESSAGE OF TRUE ISLAM WITH PEACE AND NO MURDERS IN THE NAME OF GOD AS THE CLERICS INSTIGATE IN PAKISTAN. The TRUTH is like a LION….You don’t have to defend it,when let loose it will defend it self if not feared,locked,buried,tempered,forged and spoken behind close doors.

  25. Muhammad Ayyub

    February 11, 2013 at 2:55 am

    The statement by PM Julia Gillard, if reported truly, is coherent and logical but at the same time let me say it is bit harsh. Integration is not just learning of English, there are so many other aspects too. For a peaceful society, the most important valued significance is to show mutual respect for each other; those who came first or coming these days in this beautiful land. As for Muslims are concerned they should get up against Mullah-ism emerging in any form because it has very inadequately damaged the peaceful image of Islam. This sort of un-Islamic mind-set will leave them for no where. Here the example of Mullah-ism turned into Terrorism in Pakistan is very much relevant. It started in 1974 once the persecuted Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was declared not-Muslim. Later on The Ordinance XX promulgated by the dictator Gen Ziaul Haq strengthened it further in 1984. In historical spectrum, as very rightly pointed out by Mr. Ghulam Sarwar, it was nothing new as the people in power had declared that Moses, Jesus, Hussain in their respective times that they were infidels. Such declarations do no harm to the believers rather it shows that how wrong have been the rulers consistently since ages. The lesson is that the Religious Freedom through Universal Declaration of Human Rights by UNO must be strictly adopted by all the signatory states and The Muslims states, in particular, claiming to be the true followers of Islam because most of its clauses are very much in accordance with ever first written Charter called “ Madina Declaration” that was signed by the Prophet MUHAMMAD (SAW) and the leaders of other communities living in Madina about 15 centuries back. Even today this Charter is as useful as it was at its time of inception , wherever such problems of integration surface as the possibility of risk.

  26. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    February 11, 2013 at 3:31 am

    It is reported that this statement in fact was never made. Should we delete it? Well, we decided to leave it in because who-ever constructed the argument it is in fact an interesting argument and the views it generates are also quite valuable.

  27. K T Shamim

    February 11, 2013 at 4:15 am

    We should leave it … but change the headline to reveal it as a Hoax.

  28. Zavahir bin Hameem

    February 12, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    I think she is ignorant of the fact that the land she calls Australia,was robbed from the owners the Great Aborigines. The White Settlers descended from the criminals,when the Brit colonials used the land as Penal Colony.She herself was not born there,she came from Wales, immorally lives with a partner, her so-called Christian value.

  29. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    February 12, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    ‘descendants of British criminal camps’ … Well, I am also tempted to ask Australians about their ancestry. The last one I had the courage to ask replied ‘no, I am descendant of the Irish potato famine’.

  30. Dean Penney

    February 14, 2013 at 2:51 am

    Hoax or no hoax circulating around the internet…..ITS A DAMN GOOD POINT! that was made.

  31. Ahmed

    February 18, 2013 at 4:41 am

    Zavahir has undeniable logic and concrete point. I agree with him. Land known as Australia was not founded by European expeditors if it is and the way it is founded by those criminals OK then any other expeditors also have the right to found a new country or nation based on their religion and way of life and this is called justice and freedom.

  32. jeff

    February 19, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    my beleif is that in any situation a solid understanding of both sides stories is only beneficial to result in a fair outcome, however the TRUTH IS needed to achieve the end result……
    how do i feel about muselim australia ……the pen IS mightier than the sword, and us dumb Australians are waiting to fight with swords while the war is being won by islamists with pens. WHEN these oxygen thiefs hold the majority vote do you really think they will let us continue to be Australian ……….As an Australian you only need to walk down the main street in lakemba by yourself to realise the hatred these people hold towards us……..and while this is going on theyre telling us how they want to be peaceful……alterior motives “keep your friends close and your _______ closer”.also suited to the conversation “The appearance of the law must be upheld especially while it is being broken”.

    as for stealing this country, by todays standards it is not ok, by the standards we lived by at the time, might has right it was ok. if the king or queen wants that piece of land its theirs regardless of ownership etc( only poor people seem to have morales. if say iraq has oil that a president would want he shall then fabricate a war …..alterior motives……..this hasnt come up overnight people and i can argue points as far back as when religions were fabricated to ensure longevity of a kings beleif…..the fact that we still think of religion as being truthful or grounds for anything is pathetic in this day and age….. evolution wins arguments time and time again.

  33. Muhammad

    February 21, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    I agree we should fit in, but we should learn about Aboriginal culture and law. I believe in integration but with the first Australians. This is their land and we must do this or we have no business here. I hope Muslims will dialogue with the various Aboriginal groups and have a treaty with them. Our forebears the Makassans did trade with the Yolgnu in the Northern Territory and many Afghans, Indians and Pakistanis and Malays and Indonesian married into Aboriginal families. We should not forget whose land this is. We are Muslims and should live in love and respect with the Aboriginal people as the Ahmadis did with African Americans in the USA in the 20th century.

  34. Mohammed Shuaib Sheikh

    February 22, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I believe that people have to obey the laws of the country in which they live. If they don’t like a law they have no right to force the change of the law but they have every right to work democratically and peacefully to change the law.

    Zia H Shah has written:

    “For example, in Pakistan, in 1974, we were declared non-Muslims by the then National Assembly and Prime Minister of Pakistan”.

    First the prime minister who has not been named was Zulfiqar Bhutto.

    Please Mr Shah can you deny that the leaders of the two sub sects of Ahmadies had already declared non Ahmadies as non Muslims? Is it not true that when the leaders of the two sub sects of Ahmadiya movement were asked what do they have to say about those Muslims who don’t believe in their first leaders’ claims they said that they are outside the Muslim ambit? That is non Muslims.

  35. yogi

    February 25, 2013 at 1:01 am

    hi very well said if they don’t like the country just leave the country.

  36. yogi

    February 25, 2013 at 1:05 am

    pls do not involve indians in this they are not intrested in any antisocial activity.

  37. Mohammed Shuaib Sheikh

    February 25, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Who has given Julia Gillard and other white races the right to call themselves Australians and claim the country as theirs when their countries are England, rest of Europe and America etc?

  38. Mohammed Shuaib Sheikh

    February 25, 2013 at 8:12 am

    “pls do not involve indians in this they are not intrested in any antisocial activity” in Australia, they are busy terrorising the Kashmiris.

    Read more: http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/11/australia/prime-minister-julia-gillard-australias-message-to-muslim-australians#ixzz2Lw5Gbbde

  39. Shaun

    March 6, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    As mentioned earlier, hoax or no hoax is irrelevant. This has become a point of discussion now, thankfully there haven’t been too many trolls! As an Australian and a muslim, it is obvious that this country allows for all races and religions, but ultimately, the country’s law is the final say on the actions of its people. There are no problems with muslims, hindus, buddhists etc doing what they do, as long as they obey Australian law. As such, learning to speak English and learning the laws are the only two things which immigrants need to do to live in this country. As for Christianity, that’s a choice a person makes, not part of our government system. That quote “Immigrants, not Australians, must adapt”, whether hoax or not, is totally true. If I moved to an Islamic country, I would have to adapt to their laws and customs, not try to influence others with my own. As a final point, most Australians live peacefully with each other, regardless of race or beliefs… sure, there is race or religion related crime, but that is a minority, and I’m sure happens worldwide. In the town where I live, there are Christians, Athiests, Agnostics, Buddhists, Muslims and Hindus that I’m aware of, and we ALL co-exist peacefully and as a community. Sorry for the long post

  40. Peter

    March 13, 2013 at 6:35 am

    Julia Gillard never said this….this in fact was said by Prime Minister John Howard back in September 2007.

    She certainly wouldn’t say that for fear of upsetting the Muslim population and other minority groups. Typical” Labor Party do good-er attitude that it adopts”.

  41. Marianne

    March 13, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    RE: PM Julia Gillard’s “Islamophobia speech.

  42. Tanveer Khokhar

    March 20, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    If she (the PM) never said this and there is no evidence to suggest she did and indeed if it is a hoax, then really in my opinion, it should be removed.

    Sources need to be checked before someone is credited with making a statement especially one like this. Not arguing the point of what she might have said but just if there is any doubt, then it should be removed… just does not seem right to me to have it in.

    I guess the words “reported to be hoax” troubles me. Surely such a statement can be checked and verified first or when concerns are raised if it is a hoax, it should be checked and if indeed it wis a hoax then a statement like “(Post is discovered to be a hoax, but we leave it on TMT as the reactions are in fact quite interesting): is more acceptable.

    “Reported as a hoax” …. Sorry just does seem right to me. Tell me if I am wrong and why.

  43. Marianne Ebsworth

    March 20, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Hi you all,

    1. I am a Big Mouth Yankee in OZ.

    2. My partner is a Very Good Muslim.

    3. ISLAMOPHOBIA is a BIG Issue within the Western World at this time. (sorry for my language. I am a born and raised NY Journalist chick)

    4. There Must Be an Effort to Overcome this ISSUE between ISLAM and WEST. At This Time….

  44. Leonard Grimsdyke

    March 21, 2013 at 10:27 am

    I agree completely with Shaun – March 6th. Even if Julia had actually said this, this certainly should not be construed as an ‘Islamophobic’ speech. It merely sets out some of the feelings that any reasonable person would have about the issue.

    Imagine if you had a guest visit your home, found that he liked your home – it’s orderliness, its particular culture and the ways of your family – and then the guest asked if he could stay on and become part of your household – to which you replied that you welcomed him, and he could stay as long as he liked, so long as he didn’t upset the rest of your household. He agreed, and moved in with bag and baggage. So far, so good.

    If, in the course of time, your erstwhile guest begins to demand that your household adapt to his way of life and to his own peculiar views on things, and begins to complain about the way you and your family do things and to criticise your culture, what will your feelings be? Would you smilingly and uncomplainingly bow to his wishes and ask your family to do as he bids and make themselves amenable to him? Or would you politely show him the door?

    I leave the answer to all you good folk.

  45. antonio diaz

    March 21, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    well said.well said Minister
    same for us here in Canada

    I chose to immigrate to Canada, therefore I am the one who must adapt , not viceversa

    WELL SAID !

  46. Mira

    March 22, 2013 at 9:34 am

    The best way for muslims who decide to live here, doing our religious because of Allah, bring the peacefull of Islam here, so the people and government non muslim can know : Islam is peacefull, but don’t disturb the muslims…..Allah said : Lakum dienukum waliyaddien..”
    lET NON MUSLIMS KNOW, ISLAM LOVE IN PEACE AROUND THE WORLD……..

  47. Jonathan M.A.Ghaffar

    March 27, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Of course it’s a hoax! No self-respecting Aussie — knowing (and proudly so) that their version of English is largely unintelligible to anyone outside of Australia — would say “Learn English.” They couldn’t say it with a straight face. Plus, everyone knows Australia started off as a prison colony. So much for the Christian moral fiber argument.

  48. Meredith Jayne

    March 27, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Sorry to disappoint, it is a hoax folks, Julia Gillard did not make those comments whatsoever as she is not that intelligent and she doesn’t believe in God either as she is an atheist. The comments were in fact made by a former Australian Prime Minister. Sharia law is in fact in widespread practice in Australia because the Gillard Government has actively encouraged, supported and promoted it. They have been given a duty to serve and protect the Muslims and are highly rewarded for doing so.

    Comrade Gillard who is not Australian born is a racist who hates the Australian people who she is supposed to serve but no longer represents but who still pays her undeserved overinflated wages. The controlling, manipulative,money grabbing Gillard Government really doesn’t care much for the Muslim people either, but tolerates them because of the huge cash incentives. Gillard is by far the worst Prime Minister in Australian political history and the most hated. She needs to be removed from office, and honesty and accountability restored to Government. She had her chance to serve and protect the Australian people.

  49. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    March 27, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Jonathan: Yes, when I was Chief of Mission of the International Organization for Migration we had an Australian Project Manager for the ‘Security Training’ that all UN staff had to undergo before proceeding to Iraq. We had major complaints from participants that they did not understand his ‘supposed-to-be-English’. I was seriously considering giving him an interpreter from Aussie to English…

  50. marianne ebsworth

    March 28, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Hi Folks,
    I am a Dixie Chick Digger. I’m a Yankee OZ for 18 years. Don’t talk to Me about Accents! I have heard constantly “Oh, listen to that Bloody Yankee” etc. For All of my 18 years here!
    Yes, Ozzie/Yankee English are Different.

  51. BC

    March 28, 2013 at 4:16 am

    Actually, the PM of Australia is not a Christian, nor does she profess to be a Christian.

    “Ms Gillard, who replaced Kevin Rudd as leader of the country in a dramatic political coup last week, said she had been brought up in a Baptist family, but had “made decisions in my adult life about my own views”.

    “I’m not going to pretend a faith I don’t feel,” she said.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/7860774/Australian-prime-minister-does-not-believe-in-God.html

  52. LAYLA

    April 1, 2013 at 1:50 am

    JULIA I SALUTE YOU . WE NEED PRESIDENTS LIKE YOU TO TALK FRANCKLY WITH ALL THE FACTS . THANKS JULIA . GOD BLESS YOU AND PROTECT YOU.

  53. Walid Necib

    April 4, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Assalamun Alleykum

    Ex police officer blew the whistle on racism towards Muslims and others and more on http://www.cowbosyinuniform.com

  54. A khan

    April 5, 2013 at 5:23 am

    Many of you who comment here claim to be of Peace yet you disturb, you shall be the losers in the end.

    You are being watched very closely as you act and play a scene in a big show.

  55. Selena

    April 8, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    As a non-Muslim Australian, I state that the words written above would never have come from the mouth or hand of an Australian Prime Minister.

    For any PM to come out and say something such as the above would have caused major uproar within our society and opened a great debate amongst not only Muslims but non-Muslims too.

    So far I haven’t seen or heard anything to suggest this is happening and to be honest, no Australian PM (to date) would have the guts to say something like any of the above out of fear of backlash from the community.

    Peace be with you all

  56. wayne

    April 20, 2013 at 3:13 am

    Well that certainly opened up a debate hey? The only thing I have to say about this is, as a complete non religious person, the world is a huge place and we produce enough food and energy to keep another planet! yet we can not live in harmony with one another, and it just seems to me that religion is at the centre of this promotion of hatred of our fellow human beings. If you cut us we all bleed, and it is all the same colour! there are people dying of starvation in the world and yet we could feed them if we wanted to!because we throw enough food away every day!Come on world and more importantly religious leaders pull yourselves together, we are not on this earth for long so lets make the most of it whilst we are.And if you can’t do any good then don’t do anything, because sometimes this is the better alternative.
    Apologies for the terrible grammer but I think you get my drift.

  57. daz

    April 22, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    muslims living in Australia should go by our laws,dont come here and try changing xmas because we celebrate it every year,dont try and stop our Anzac day,if you come here to upset Australia saying we are racist don’t bother coming at all,i died once and was brought back to life,and I can tell you there is no allah or virgins waiting on the other side for you,you all get sucked into a book that was written centuries ago by one man,i think you people have a cheek coming here when you use to burn the Australian flag,i bet you would get upset if we burnt your flag,so all I am saying is if you don’t like Australia go home.

  58. Rodney

    April 22, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Multiculturism is a big fat failure. The host nation is brainwashed into not being racist to the guests, but then the guests but then the guests practise racism against the host and use their minority status to gain all sorts of benefits not available.

    Playing VICTIM should be banned. The whole system is crap because the government is not even elected upon the will of the people but selected out of some pool of blue blood professional bureaucrats.

    Australia is weak. It has no culture because our people have no spine. The sane have no representation or leadership.

    Any half baked organisation can take over this country.

    When I am a minority will I have civil rights.
    I can just get on a boat.

  59. Mary

    May 3, 2013 at 3:28 am

    THIS ENTIRE THING WAS A HOAX JULIA GILLARD NEVER SAID IT NEITHER DID JOHN HOWARD.

  60. Brian Osbourne

    May 6, 2013 at 6:31 am

    I do not think Julia Gillard said any such thing. She is too gutless unfortunately and is amazingly handing out money to muslim societies to whitewash their extraordinarily violent religion/ideology to Australians.
    All these comments about Islam being a religion of peace is blatant nonsense and proves that most of the commentators have never actually read the Qur’an (or are practicing taqiyya – lying to protect the good name of Islam as the Qur’an instructs them to do). Not that it can actually be read as it has no continuity of message, (except unrelenting hatred for everyone including muslims) no chronological order and very little to offer except laughable attempts to take over Christain and Jewish scriptures and mold them into something that is supposed to prove Muhammad was actually something other than a scam artist.
    Hundreds of verses deal with the Lord’s, Al Hasrah’s or Allah’s,(Muhammad had a hard time settling on a name for his God. He finally settled on the name of one of the rock Gods that made up the pagan Kabaa at Mecca that men had been worshiping at for centuries before Muhammad wrested it from it’s current owners.) preoccupation with describing ad nauseum the hellfires which most of his followers were going to spend eternity in with Allah personally overseeing their torment. It’s all in the Qur’an if anybody ever bothered to read it. It is such a mess of gibberish that when it was finally collected together and written down two hundred years after the fact, the Haddith and the Sunnah had to be written to try and make some slight sense of it.
    Islam is a religion of hatred, and unrelenting rage. There is no love, forgiveness or beauty in its God. Over and over, verse after verse it preaches death to any infidel who refuses to embrace Islam, or become a second class citizen paying the jizya (tax on infidels). In fact death or mutilation seems to be the response to almost anything and if you made it through your earthly phase there was always the hellfires awaiting (39 times hotter than normal fire I might add!)because the fate of muslims are predestined at conception so it matters not how good a muslim you may have been. However heaven is another matter and if you are lucky enough to have killed enough infidels over the years as the Qur’an exhorts over and over then you are are a martyr for Islam and welcomed to an eternity of gluttony, streams of wines and a never ending succession of willing virgins.
    Don’t make me laugh with this ridiculous “religion of peace” which I hear being continually espoused. Islam has one goal and it is being pursued relentlessly in every country in the World and that is a worldwide Islamic caliphate. It will probably succeed because the western worlds preoccupation with political correctness is something being used to further their cause at an alarming rate. And when that happens then they’ll all turn on each other as they have done for fourteen hundred years and life and freedom as we know it will be gone forever.

  61. delia

    May 12, 2013 at 3:10 am

    I don’t understand those Muslims from Australia who wants Sharia law. They can live according to Sharia in Australia and in any other country, because Sharia is a reference point in the life of Muslims not a corpus to be imposed on the life of a pluralistic society with different cultural backgrounds. Also, in my opinion, many secular laws from Australia or western countries are more Islamic in their essence than some so called Islamic laws from some so called Islamic countries (like Pakistan), so there is a false false incompatibility between islamic-secular law.

  62. marianne ebsworth

    May 12, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    ISLAM is BEAUTIFUL. POSSIBLY MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN CHRISTIANITY.

    BUT WHY:

    1. JIHAD
    2. WOMEN AS PROPERTY/LIVESTOCK
    3. VIOLENCE

    WHY?? WHY????

  63. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    May 12, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Oh Marianne! Again these uninformed comments! Please continue to read The Muslim Times in more detail and with more attention. Also look at http://www.alislam.org. Look for the real meaning of JIHAD. See: http://www.alislam.org/jihad/ Regarding women as livestock: You must be joking. One of my wives has been bossing me around for the last 47 years and the other one for the last 19 years. I told them (contrary to Islamic teachings, by the way): “I do what I like and you do what I like and there will be no problems” – and they are laughing at me (and not accepting my ‘rule’) for the last 66 years. Seriously: The Prophet (peace be on him) said: “The best of you is the one who treats his wives best” !!!. Violence: What violence? The gun violence we read about in the US every day? Again: Please read The Muslim Times in more depth and you will find the peaceful teachings of Islam. For first reading please refer to: http://www.alislam.org/library/books/World-Crisis-and-Pathway-to-Peace.pdf

  64. marianne ebsworth

    May 12, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    Yo Bro,
    I will keep on researching it. But, WHY/HOW does this IDEA in the WEST come from?? 9/11, Boston Massacre etc. WHO is RESPONSIBLE for these DISASTERS?? WHERE do they come from??

  65. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    May 12, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Marianne, yes, please continue your research. You have a lot of information on the The Muslim Times website and on http://www.alislam.org.

    Where do these ideas come from? Well, from the time of the crusades Muslims were considered a threat (while in fact the threat at the time was the other way round). But war propaganda is war propaganda. Things linger on.

    Boston Massacre is no different to any other shootings you have in the USA, like the latest ‘Mother’s Day’s shooting’. What is the difference if the crazy guy happens to come from a Muslim family? Do you blame the Pope for the other mass shootings in the USA? (as the shooters are from a Christian background?) Murder is murder and we deplore them all…

  66. chris

    May 13, 2013 at 12:29 am

    Well done! More of these statements need to make main stream media and show We Are Australians! Our fathers and mothers and family members die for our country an people like muslims take Our country is for granted and use our kindness as a weakness!
    Pathetic and I hope the leave and stop tarnishing our great country!

  67. Brian Westley

    May 13, 2013 at 7:55 am

    None of this was said by Gillard. See:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/likeitorleaveit.asp

  68. Joe Johns

    May 22, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    I salute you Julia.

  69. david

    May 23, 2013 at 3:38 am

    Religion causes nothing but trouble for humanity. Common sense is severely lacking in our species. I see no evidence of any god. Wake up people.

  70. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    May 23, 2013 at 5:10 am

    David: Who created you?

  71. Lyn Turner

    May 23, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    I personally am terrified more each day when I stumble across these blogs, (hoax or no hoax on this occasion), no one can convince me that the rapid increase of Muslims in Australia is not a cause for concern, As a 5th generation proud Australian it grieves me to say I’m considering moving to the States …

  72. Dave B

    May 23, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Please note- this quotation of Julia Gillard is a hoax. Thankfully, uneducated bigotry and nonsense such as this tends only to find it’s way into politics through the seedy platforms of those political parties who compensate their lack of understanding with an abundance of hate, you know the ones: BNP, EDL, KKK.

  73. Matt

    May 23, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    It’s a hoax. Julia never said that. It sound like the ideas of some other red-headed clown from a fish & chip shop in Queensland.

  74. Monica

    May 24, 2013 at 12:00 am

    Why wasn’t this statement placed on the media we need to stand up for our democracy otherwise well wake up one day and be like four other countries where we have become a Muslim nation do we really owont this for our next generation when this country has been blessed over the decades because of our Christian heritage we are a very soft target wake up Australia.

  75. Dave UK

    May 24, 2013 at 12:52 am

    REF:-

    Zarif Ahmad

    November 26, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    “Allah clearly says in the Holy Quran, “Do not create disorder in the earth after peace has been established”

    The problem with the so called good book, is there are so many quote’s like the above, that are open to interpretation, I could see that some Muslims will think, ok, lets cause a war, were as we, the Muslims are victorious, then the earth will be ruled by Muslims & will then & only then be at peace ?

  76. Zia H. Shah MD - Twitter: @ZiahShah1

    May 24, 2013 at 1:51 am

    All scriptures and writings are open to interpretation. This is what humans do, try to bend what is presented to them, to their personal advantage, except the honest and God fearing.

    For a century, in USA, the line, “All men are created equal,’ was interpreted as that most Africans are slaves and women do not have the right to vote and now it is interpreted differently.

  77. Shaun

    May 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    You know, these comments remind me of a kids treehouse! “Come in Christians, Buddhists, Catholics, Protestants, Taoists, Scientologists, Pagans, Satanists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jews, Rastafarians, Hindus, Agnostics, Athiests… oh no, not you Muslims! You can’t come in! We only get to go in your treehouse, you don’t get to come in ours!!!” So much for the ‘keep Australia Christian’ arguments! Bigotry much???

    I don’t believe in excluding anyone for religious reasons, and the Australian Government won’t allow Sharia law to be implemented in this country.

    Really people, if you’re sooooooooo hellbent on kicking everyone out who doesn’t belong here, then we should give this country back to the Aborigines and leave… I don’t know about you, but my ancestry isn’t purely Australian (a little bit is, but mostly scottish for me.) Oh I’m sorry, we only kick out whoever YOU don’t think belongs here, right???

    Help people to adapt to the country, don’t just kick them out… they screw up, that’s what our legal system is for! The immigration process is NOT an easy one (my wife is going through it), so those people who get in the country legally, they worked hard for it, and spent a lot of money! I could go into more detail, but who cares anyway?

  78. Lachlan

    May 25, 2013 at 2:06 am

    Regarding the tree house analogy; are you suggesting that an Australian enclave would be welcomed in a Muslim country?

    Historically Australians have been tolerant & easy going, but are quickly becoming less so, an unfortunate sign of the times. The western world fears the ‘radical Muslim’ & I for one would be comforted if someone could help me identify ‘radical Muslims’ from ‘Muslims’! preferably prior to a beheading or other atrocity?

  79. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    May 25, 2013 at 2:11 am

    Lachian: ‘Muslims’ you will find on The Muslim Times and also for instance on http://www.alislam.org. Well, actually you will find ‘the Muslims’ practically everywhere, except in the media, which concentrates only on the ‘bad apples’ (ok, very bad apples).

  80. Marianne Ebsworth

    May 25, 2013 at 9:09 am

    YES, ISLAM is BEAUTIFUL but
    JIHAD ????

    “Does Not Compute”

    Identify Muslim Terrorists

    NEVER AGAIN

  81. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    May 25, 2013 at 9:45 am

    If you are really interested to learn what is JIHAD than please read: http://www.alislam.org/jihad/

  82. Marianne Ebsworth

    May 25, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Dear Rafiq,

    Thank you So Much!!
    But Why/How do we see so much VIOLENCE and Anger from Muslims? The Only thing that Western People know about Islam is from the Media. This All is a Result of Bombs, Knives and Violent behaviour.
    ISLAM Must address this issue.

  83. Marianne Ebsworth

    May 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Dear Rafiq,

    The noisy West Must be more thoroughly “marketed to”. They Must be told the Beauty of Islam.

    These “Crazies” are going to Keep on keepin’ on until Somebody “Fixes” it.

  84. Waseem Malik

    May 25, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Dear Marianne,

    This is unfortunate that a small group of people are giving a bad name to Islam which is a religion of Peace. The bad guys have their own political agendas and interests and just care about themselves but none other.
    In Islam there are 73 sects and the only sect which is following the true teachings of Islam and is spreading the true message of Islam “LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE,is The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Please visit http://www.alislam.org for more information.
    Thanks
    Waseem

  85. lohren

    May 25, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    http://www.hoax-slayer.com/gillard-muslims-leave.shtml

    she never said this was all a hoax

  86. Lulu

    May 27, 2013 at 12:48 am

    We are a very tolerant nation and we embrace other cultures. We do not accept the sort of Islam that shouts Sariah Law or world dominance. We as Australians are not and never have been politically correct and we don’t care if we are called racist. BUT we embrace any race that wants to enjoy our way of life and become one with us. It is the Australian spirit to stand up for your mate whatever his religion may be. BUT if anyone tries to mess with our values it’s game over….

  87. pete

    May 28, 2013 at 5:02 am

    The war between christian and muslims dates back over some 1000 years. Why cant muslim people stick to there countries in the middle east an us christian based countries stick to the west. Muslims have tried to fight an over run europe so many times now. Once again europe has started to revolt. In this day an age if you cant stick to you religious based countries, I believe the outcome will become your undoing.

  88. Colin Thai

    May 28, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Hoax or not, this is Australia, it’s about time something was said. I cannot go over to a Muslim country and preach my way of belief, and one more thing women are equal under the western law, just read in England a Muslim kid has just been let off going to jail for raping a young girl because he did not know it was wrong, I say no more.

  89. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    May 28, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Colin (and similar): We have here typically the issue ‘let’s compare the best of us with the worst of you’. We at The Muslim Times try to compare ‘the best of us with the best of you’. You should try it sometimes. Religiously speaking ‘the worst of us’ are ‘not of us at all’.

  90. Kel

    June 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    She never said any such thing. This story is a hoax. Google it yourself and make your own judgement. The writer of this article should do more research.

  91. Dee

    June 3, 2013 at 10:18 am

    BRAVO AUSTRALIA!!!!! I WISH OUR GOVERNMENT WOULD DO THE SAME IN CANADA. We are being pushed out of our schools and neighborhoods. And Yes, learn the language. Over here they get $3000. for every child they have and bring their elderly parents here to suck up our pension plans. I worry there will be nothing left for true Canadians to retire. On the other hand, they are not the only ones.

  92. David Baden--Australia

    June 10, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    I stand to be corrected ,but I understood that Julia declared herself to be an athiest.

  93. MOHIT

    June 12, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    In India …we got Independence on 15th aug 1947
    and around 5% of total population were muslims…
    Hindus were 93 percent and rest of them were 2 percents..
    Now in 2013..they are 17 percent ..hindus are 80+ percent….
    What i am trying to say is that we allow them to have 4 marriages and have as many childrens you can..which led thm hvng their population grow much more than others..
    We have accepted thm ..and they are happy in India
    But ..still few of the kattar muslims are not accepting Hindus … Dont knw why? Even aftr allowing thm to live a life as they want…
    So i m totaaly agree with australian prime minister whatever she has said has a point….

  94. Nishanth

    June 14, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    One guy raised his concerns about the PM’s ancestory. Well, migration was part of imperialism in the past. It sounds like what the PM said is wrong so as to accomodate muslims and demanding sharia law in the long run. Muslims emigrating likes the rest of non muslims to be secular minded and peaceful so as muslims could lay their foundations of their religion at Australian’s expenses in the form of grants and welfare. Then turn your back against the Australians and call for Jihad against the world. Muslims are ungrateful in the country they live. People forget that they emigrated to Australia from war torn countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran where they had fear of Islam. Emigration to another country doesn’t mean to recreate your Islamic traditions in another country under government’s expenses and get your own way. And some hate speech is made by an Islamic cleric the mainstream muslims don’t come forward to condemn it. We had examples of Sydney protests, The cleric saying Australian women deserving to be raped and NRL is devil’s game. Now come on you muslims are in Australia not in Arabia. The wealth you enjoying is contribution by the Australians and you didn’t have any problems accepting favors from the government in the form of all sorts of welfare. You don’t rule the place. You have been invited to co exist.

    Why you muslims think you are a religion to be accomodated and not the other way round and you take advantage of the secular minded Australians. That goes for muslims in Europe too. You act shamelessly to get your goal. You expect our hospitality to lay foundations for your religion. This is just not right. If you have a problem you should be leaving to Saudi or othe middle eastern Islamic countries.

    You have been accepted here not to promise you a sharia land but a decent life. None of the muslim refugees don’t want to approach wealthy Arab countries where they could possibly live under sharia law but want to be accepted into Europe, the commonwealth or the Americas. Is it a ploy to get into western countries?

    Come on muslims, places you have ruled under sharia law won’t be pleasant not after living in Australia or Europe. If you emigrate better understand you all are emigrating to a country of infidels according to you. Just accept it.

  95. Hanz

    June 14, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Dear Mohit,

    India gained independence by virtue of the hard work of all Indians, irrespective of their creed, culture of religion. And subsequent to Independence, India is not a Hindu state, but a secular state. So there is no question of the Hindus allowing muslims to live. You sound as though you are doing muslims a favour.

    Again, before you start commenting on muslims are part of Pakistan or something of that sort, do note that all muslims in India are converts from those who were hindus earlier. That means to say that all the people living in India, with the very exceptional few who might have migrated (and the vast majority of those who migrated into India are Hindus)are Indians by ancestry.

    To put it in another perspective, in India those who call themselves muslims are Hindus by birth and Muslims by faith.

    With respect to Australia, however, I do concur with their views. Had the locals of Australia wanted adaptations in their constitution, that would have been proper. It is not proper on the part of those who seek asylum in the country and then want the country to adapt to their requirements, rather than being thankful and adapting themselves.

  96. SR Sankaran

    June 15, 2013 at 5:18 am

    This is a must read by the Indian Govt specially in the context of the Russian President’s address about minorities living in Russia.

  97. Al-mualim

    June 15, 2013 at 7:13 am

    May Allah (swt) guide us all Muslims and non-Muslims… Islam is a religion of peace no where in holy Quran it says we kill people ( as we are branded as terrorists NOT )as said in this ayah :

    “Should anyone kill a believer intentionally, his requital shall be hell, to remain in it forever; Allah shall be wrathful at him and curse him and He shall prepare for him a great punishment.” (4:93)

    Subhanallah if only non – believers could realize that Islam is a religion of peace. The majority of Muslims are good , its that 1% minority who take the Islam the wrong way…..

  98. Arpita

    June 17, 2013 at 5:05 am

    Don,t involve indians as they are secular to be a part of this

  99. Umesh kumar

    June 18, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    I agree with all mohammadans that all muslims are not terrorists but can’t understand that why all terrorists are muslims?

  100. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    June 19, 2013 at 12:58 am

    Last weekend in Chicago there were around 30 murders. As Christians were killing Christians none of these ace ts were considered terrorist acts. If Muslims would have been the killers the press would have talked of ‘massive terrorism’ …

  101. Venkatesh

    June 25, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    I know its a hoax, however, most of the replies from MT readers are verys interesting and surely appreciable. I’m an Indian living in Germany, and wherever I am ‘I would respect the local laws and traditions’. I dont believe in god, but I never object my mom or anyone else when they pray or talk about their beliefs, infact I assist them in making their rituals and try to learn the good from them.

    Everyone has the right to believe what they want,at the same time, everyone is obligued to respect others freedom.

    I met many peaceful muslims (some of them follow Sufism, Ahmediya…), christians and Hindus…I hope one day all the world become open where there are no Statue destrucitons like in Bamiyan or Maldives, no train burnings like in Gujrath, no Masjid demolition like in Ayodya and most importantly no more Violence,- Inshallah-Om Shanthi Shanthi Shanthihi.

    —————————————-

    Where The Mind Is Without Fear

    Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
    Where knowledge is free
    Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
    By narrow domestic walls
    Where words come out from the depth of truth
    Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
    Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
    Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
    Where the mind is led forward by thee
    Into ever-widening thought and action
    Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.
    – Rabindranath Tagore, Nobel peace prize winner.

  102. Dave Mod

    June 26, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Why is it that all of you obviously rational, moderate Muslims do not condemn the actions of your radical fellow Muslims. If we are to believe that you accept the governments of the countries you live in then we must hear that from YOU and your Imam’s. Loudly proclaim your Americanism or Australianism. We need to hear from you or we will not be able to trust you.

  103. Hanz

    June 27, 2013 at 3:44 am

    Dear Umesh kumar,

    Terrorists have no religion; nor are they from any specific religious faction. It is how you color them.

    There have been more muslims killed in the Godhra issue then there have ever been hindus killed in India by any religious minority; same is the case against sikhs in Delhi. But then, these are not “terrorists”. You may recollect news items about many bombing activities unearthed in different parts of India where the perpetrators / culprits were found to be Hindus.

    USA killed muslims in millions in Iraq and Afghanistan, but then again they are not “terrorists”.

    Any act of terror is termed terrorism only when “muslims” are behind it.

    The problem is not with Islam; but with those who want to perceive Islam as something to be feared of.

  104. Ahmed Qureshi

    June 27, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Congratulations to Aussies for getting rid of woman as their premier!

  105. Alex

    June 29, 2013 at 5:07 am

    Agree absolutely! Well done! If somebody comes to another country, he/she at least should respect local laws and customs. And based on what he/she should demand do or change something in the way of self interests from people that owe him/her nothing?! In which way they better then Americans then?

  106. Ahmed Qureshi

    June 29, 2013 at 6:55 am

    @Alex!

    OK then why her ancestors when they were occupying the land did they not obey the laws and customes of native Aborigines?

  107. wewillwin

    June 29, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    I think you under estimate us. We our nation have gone through a lot over the years. Not only will our men will fight you but our women will too. You will not win. You also under estimate how many people you’ve pissed off through you cruel and headless, cold blooded murders just because we are not you. There is no beauty in what you do or preach just death, destruction and hatred. You will never win.

  108. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    June 29, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    wewillwin: By ‘you’ I assume you mean the violent ‘jihadists’ and not ‘us’ from The Muslim Times. As you will note when reading The Muslim Times in more detail you will see that we are presenting a Peaceful Islam with the Motto: “Love for All and Hatred for None”. Please also see http://www.alislam.org and http://www.mta.tv. We wish you fruitful studies of the real Islam! (murderers are murderers and we dislike them as much as you do).

  109. Marianne Ebsworth

    June 29, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    ISLAM and the WEST MUST Humbly, Respectfully, Honestly SHARE INFORMATION to reach a MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL SOLUTION.

    NO PHYSICAL VIOLENCE ALLOWED ON EITHER SIDE. COMMUNICATE

  110. Timothy

    July 6, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Where is the voice of global muslim community when christians in Egypt and pakistan are mercilessly targeted and persecuted.It is high time that they start taking ownership of their actions and make efforts to integrate in the society which they live in.Why do other immigrants from China and India never face this problem.

    I am an Australian and you can see the vast difference in lifestyle between muslim and other neighbourhoods.Even poor immigrants from China,Vietnam and India push their kids to excel academically and all of them have integrated well into our society.Why cant these muslims learn these things from them.

  111. Ahmed Qureshi

    July 7, 2013 at 5:45 am

    @Timothy

    Ahamdi Muslims among all Muslims groups have a consistent, strongest voice against crimes and persecution against Christians or minorities in Muslims countries or elsewhere. I myself Alhamdulillah contributed thus.

    By the way I never got any reply to my comments except accusations or a kind of bullying

  112. Marsha

    July 28, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    @Marianne Ebsworth: you are a fraud. You are not an American and you are not a woman.
    @Rafiq: you are a very mixed up and confused old man. You have 2 wives: that in and of itself shows how unfair Islam is to women. When women can have 2 husbands, like men can have 4 wives, then Islam will be fair to women.
    “Christians killing Christians” in Chicago or other parts of the US-yes, they might be Christian because of their background, but they are not KILLING IN THE NAME OF CHRISTIANITY. Boston bombers: KILLING IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. BIG BIG DIFFERENCE. And how many other terrorists have killed in the name of Islam?? Not many Christians going around killing and blowing things up in the name of their religion.

  113. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    July 28, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    About ‘killing in the name of Islam’ Marsha does have a point, unfortunately. As the readers of The Muslim Times will have noticed we are constantly trying to teach the motto of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community ‘Love for All and Hatred for None’: in other words we are totally against mis-using the name of Islam for terrorist activities. Regarding my being confused: well, why not call it ‘responsible’? It is quite a responsibility to look after 2 families …

  114. Marianne Ebsworth

    July 29, 2013 at 4:53 am

    Marsha,

    Last I checked I was Still a Woman/American. Why do my words scare/anger you?
    I am Only Speaking the Honest Truth. The Ahmadiyya sect is seeking Peace as they say.
    As I’ve said before, there’s gotta be some reason why Islam is the fastest growing faith in the World.
    I will go with whatever/whoever does it best.

  115. Shravan

    July 29, 2013 at 7:38 am

    She is absolutely right………….Gradually every country shall adopt this stand because … Islam is nothing but medieval mindset all for Arab Imperialism.

  116. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    July 29, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Shravan. If you want to know what Islam really is please keep visiting The Muslim Times. You may also like to visit http://www.alislam.org

  117. Babar

    August 2, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Hoax or not, I agree with her. The only part that I do not agree is the part where she suggests that Muslims should be secretly monitored. That is racism and bigotry pure and simple. As a Muslim and an Ahmadi I would condemn such an act against a Christian or a Jew if it happened in a Muslim country!!!

  118. Steve

    August 3, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    It is truly tragic that so many mentally ill people populate this planet, using religion – any religion – and faith in impossible and absurd characters and events to justify their manic and unhinged behaviour and truly nutcase attitude to each other and those not similarly deluded.
    Bear in mind that the world and human civilisation is far older than any current religion, cult or other whack job belief, and that the Christian God, Allah, the Scientologists, Bhuddists, Hindis, Shintoists, Raeliens (hahaha) Druids, Wiccas, ect,ect,ect, ad nauseum, were never even invented when swamp mist, Roman and Egyptian Gods were all the rage, or for the millions of years prior, and the current batch of nuttery will eventually be just as extinct and forgotten, but not before ruining the lives and minds of billions of the weak and naive, as has been the case for millennia.
    Just when will the world grow up and realise it has been making a fool of itself?

  119. zeinab meftah

    August 7, 2013 at 10:35 am

    “We are not allowed to go to any Muslim country and set up a Christian church.”

    I’m muslim and I’m Iranian.
    we DO HAVE Christian church in Iran! and that’s legal

  120. Jude

    August 11, 2013 at 5:34 am

    I totally agree!! When in Rome..

    That said, I couldn’t believe how dense the Stephanie Banister was in referring to Islam as a country and that Jews follow Jesus..I mean REALLY? Lol.

  121. Jude

    August 11, 2013 at 5:37 am

    I think everyone needs to respect and love each other. Too long has there been war in the name of religion. It’s not what God wants. He wants us to love one another. Sadly, a few bad apples have scared people into thinking that terrorists are who represents Islam so everyone gets painted with the same brush. Get rid of terrorists and there can be healing and mutual understanding.

  122. EnglishDoYouSpeakIt?

    August 15, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Finally somebody with some major cojones. Thank you Prime Minister. Its a fact that These people that come from other country’s to escape there own people and religion try an force there beliefs on us. I’ve had it with them. This is our country and this is the way we live. If you don’t like it why don’t you go back. We don’t want your lunatic laws and lunatic ways. We don’t need you in our country, we only let you in so you could have a better life then what u where living, if your life was so great under Islam why did you come here? Explain that to me. You can’t dominate the world. We won’t allow it. I won’t live under your ways. I will fight it if I have to. I like my country the way it is and I won’t allow it to change. Our politicians need to get there head out of there ass and protect there own people and stop allowing them to come in our country’s. Deport every one who doesn’t like our ways. The ones that like it are free to stay.

  123. Marianne Ebsworth

    August 15, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Yes, your point is correct. If your “Muslim Country” is So Bloody Good, then WHY are you “Escaping to Australia”?!
    Your “Muslim Laws” and Excuses for Violence do NOT Sell in the West.
    Our Women are NOT “Animals/Property”. They Are MUCH Better Than That!!
    My fiance is Muslim. He would never Tell others to Follow “Sharia Law”. There’s alot of LOSERS who try to Use Islam to get what they want.
    Australia should Evaluate the Worthiness of Any Immigrants to see if they Deserve to Live in “The Lucky Country”

  124. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    August 15, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Strange fiance Marrianne Ebsworth has. If he is a Muslim could he not remove the wrong ideas Marianne has about the teachings of Islam on women? Marianne: Please tell your fiance to read http://www.alislam.org and look for Islam’s teachings regarding women. You can start here: http://www.alislam.org/library/WOMANINISLAM.pdf and http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Muhammad-the-liberator-of-women.html (wonder why you chose a Muslim fiance if you hate Islam that much…) (strange world)

  125. Tahir Ahmed Majid

    August 25, 2013 at 1:35 am

    I don’t know much of this episode. But I’d like to ask Gulia Gillard – How would she respond when the aborigines of Australia ask for their rights? Christians conquered Australia & what about aborigines who were natives of Australia. Hope she has answers to these questions.

  126. Ahmed Qureshi

    August 25, 2013 at 8:42 am

    I am still waiting for answers to my questions from frenzy supporters of Gillard.

  127. Chris Theodorou

    August 31, 2013 at 8:49 am

    We are all human beings of this planet called earth.
    We are all the same.
    We fight about meaningless matters.
    Religion.., Politics.., Extremists.., Social Classes.., etc etc – ALL MEANINGLESS!
    Step outside this big “sphere of influence” which this fake world has created for just a minute and think about the real life around you… the air you breathe., the sky., the trees., the ground you walk on…
    We are ALL part of this earth so lets try and become ONE with each other instead of discussing meaningless issues created to separate us and create nothing but hate and violence.

    Peace to you all

  128. Paula

    September 1, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    This, long ago was established to be a hoax. So, kudos to The Muslim Times for their lack of research skills and/or their commitment to Taqiyya.

  129. Rafiq A. Tschannen

    September 1, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Paula: We are stating in the headline that we know it to be a hoax, but leave it on The Muslim Times as the discussions that the hoax generates are in fact interesting.

  130. jozek@live.com.au

    September 23, 2013 at 4:43 am

    Why are Muslims so intolerant, I am not only talking about the terrorists,Taliban,Alqueda, etc
    I am talking about brothers,parents who sometimes kill sisters because they want to integrate into society where they live. I am not talking about Muslim. Countries where women have no rights to be educated,drive cars, go out in the street alone etc
    Why? Intolerance?
    Why are there many Muslim countries in the world wher it is punishable many places with death penalty, to convert Muslim to Chnristianity? Yet to convert Christian ti Islam is not an offense at all. Why? Intolerance?
    Why are Philippino workers in Saudi Abrabia not allowed to build a church, when Muslem in all wester countries are allowed to. Why? Intolerance?
    I have been trying to obtain an answer to these questions for years but none of the Muslim organizations would answer it. Why? They all support intolerance?

  131. Zia Shah

    September 23, 2013 at 4:47 am

    Please read a little more about the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Especially please see the top three news items in our Daily eDigest from September 21, day before yesterday:

    http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/09/edigest/international-day-of-peace-21-september-2

    And:

    http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/06/uncategorized/caliph-umar-farooq-vs-emperor-heraclius-who-gave-us-our-religious-freedoms

    Please come back for more references.

    Best Regards

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  133. Mike Wyatt

    September 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    THIS IS THE ONLY THING I can resurrect from this whole … thread. It is

    ‘Where the Mind is without Fear’

    Honestly some people prefer to argue about two flies climbing up a wall which is a favourite Aussie past time. Just a pointless exercise in who said He said she said.

    Where The Mind Is Without Fear

    Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
    Where knowledge is free
    Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
    By narrow domestic walls
    Where words come out from the depth of truth
    Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
    Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
    Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
    Where the mind is led forward by thee
    Into ever-widening thought and action
    Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.
    – Rabindranath Tagore, Nobel peace prize winner.

  134. Liam

    October 6, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Well Said! Im sick of people coming to countries and demanding them to conform to how they would be treated or acted back in their home countries. Muslims are the same as every other religion, and frankly religion is half the problem in the world today.

    That being said, I make the effort when I go to Saudi Arabia to conform the laws of that land, and act the way the locals do, why can’t they do the same. Stop using the excuse that STATE AND CHURCH OR MOSQUE should be separated. Australia is Christian and always has been, GET OVER IT! Either live under Australian law or LEAVE!

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  136. brian

    October 26, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    TO ALL:-
    gillard never said that. gillard is NOT a christian or a believer in any god except the labor party or fabianism.
    why has she not called for womens rights and dignity in any country where a woman is treated like a dog?

  137. Shaun

    October 27, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    @everyone screaming fake: yeah, it was put in the topic that it has been reported as a hoax, but is still up for the reactions it generates… L2read!

    As for the ‘Australia is Christian’ comments, i call bs on that. Sure, there is a higher percentage of Christians in Australia (61.1% in 2011), but Australia has no official religion, and prides itself on multiculturalism and freedom of religion. And if people are so desperate to put a label on it, Australia’s true original religion would be animism, as practiced by the Aboriginal people (basically, everything has a soul, but there is more to it than that)

  138. Fuzail Ayaz Ahmad

    November 3, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    I simply say well said! Prime Minister. If you are adopting other lands for to bring your self in good conditions you have to adapt.Abiding by the laws of country where you are residing is part of Islamic teachings.
    if a Muslim living in Australia he should abide by the Australian laws. The Holy prophet of islam advised The Muslims of Makkah to migrate to Abyssinia to live freely there but never advised them to go there and bring any disorder or indiscipline to nation.
    Quraan advised to migrate people in case of being oppressed and tortured

    {إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفَّاهُمُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ ظَالِمِي أَنْفُسِهِمْ قَالُوا فِيمَ كُنْتُمْ قَالُوا كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِي الْأَرْضِ قَالُوا أَلَمْ تَكُنْ أَرْضُ اللَّهِ وَاسِعَةً فَتُهَاجِرُوا فِيهَا فَأُولَئِكَ مَأْوَاهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ وَسَاءَتْ مَصِيرًا (98) إِلَّا الْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ مِنَ الرِّجَالِ وَالنِّسَاءِ وَالْوِلْدَانِ لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ حِيلَةً وَلَا يَهْتَدُونَ سَبِيلًا (99) فَأُولَئِكَ عَسَى اللَّهُ أَنْ يَعْفُوَ عَنْهُمْ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا (100) وَمَنْ يُهَاجِرْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ يَجِدْ فِي الْأَرْضِ مُرَاغَمًا كَثِيرًا وَسَعَةً وَمَنْ يَخْرُجْ مِنْ بَيْتِهِ مُهَاجِرًا إِلَى اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ يُدْرِكْهُ الْمَوْتُ فَقَدْ وَقَعَ أَجْرُهُ عَلَى اللَّهِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَحِيمًا (101) } (النساء 98-101)
    these verses indicate the situation and conditions in which one can migrate. these verses even in its context never guide a muslim to go for shariah laws.
    secondly Shariah is not a bunch of laws imposed by some insane mullahs. it is code of life and way of living. it has two major parts. one is right of people and other is rights o Allah.if we act according to quraan in daily life then we are acting and living according Shariah.
    May Allah bless all of us to understand real values of Islam and to get the spirit of Shariah Law.

  139. Mohammed

    November 15, 2013 at 10:28 am

    well said as are all the comments. However, surprising to note what Ahmadiya brethren are saying. They designate themselves as Ahmadiaya Muslims and not just Muslims. They know better why they add this word “Ahmadia”. Please note that Muslims are one. Islam is One. Allah is One. Mohammed (BPUH) is one. Why so much sectarianism?

  140. M Zaki Ansari, New Delhi

    April 16, 2014 at 12:27 am

    Only one word for all non Muslims ………..

    Just read the Quran first …….
    Think yourself, which is wrong, which is right …….

    Come to Allah, before you turn to Allah….

    Allah Bless you and all……….

    Regards,

  141. Jason

    May 15, 2014 at 7:53 am

    I wish it WEREN’T a hoax. Can your subculture be any more pompous and arrogant? These are such irrational, backwards people.
    Passion for God and faith is wonderful, but this is a whole level of crazy.
    (Yes, yes, I realize this story is years old.)

  142. Serdal

    June 25, 2014 at 11:54 pm

    I am a Turkish muslim and lived UK for 14 years and i belive she is a right what she said. In UK I said same think to arabic friends who wants to sharia law . Whem I asked them why don’t you go back your own country, they cant answer. Unfortunatelly UK govermemt accepted some sharia law ( like divorce ), and hope aussie govern won’t do this mistake.

  143. Mubashar Khan

    August 13, 2014 at 4:46 am

    Very well said Madam Prime Minister, I applaud you. Yes, learning the language is the first step to become part of the fabric of Australia. You begged to be part of the Australian culture, now live in harmony and let live or GET OUT or be thrown out. No one is going to feel sorry for you but YOU. Thank you Australia for being a savior. I and my children are thankful to you and your people.

  144. Ghulam Sarwar

    August 13, 2014 at 11:28 am

    @Mohammed

    November 15, 2013 at 10:28 am

    well said as are all the comments. However, surprising to note what Ahmadiya brethren are saying. They designate themselves as Ahmadiaya Muslims and not just Muslims. They know better why they add this word “Ahmadia”. Please note that Muslims are one. Islam is One. Allah is One. Mohammed (BPUH) is one. Why so much sectarianism?
    ———————————–
    Just in case some people are misled by the above comment from Muhammad, it is well known that the holy body of the majority Muslims do not consider the Ahmadis as Muslims. And it is not due to their calling themselves Ahmadi Muslims. It is due to some other reasons, as follows:
    1. The Ahmadis believe that Jesus a.s. has died a peaceful natural death at the good age of 120 years as mentioned in an important Hadith of the prophet s.a.w.s. and as per Quran.
    2. The Ahmadis believe that Muhammad s.a.w.s. was the last law bearing prophet who brought the last law. That he was the greatest prophet. No other law bearing prophet will appear after him and no prophet (permanent and direct) as used to appear will now appear in the world. But Warners and subordinate prophets and messengers will appear in the Ummah. Only the new law bearing prophets are barred.
    This is the main bone of discontent between so called Muslims and Ahmadis. And in this matter, the old time scholars writings support the Ahmadis.
    3. Ahmadis believe in peaceful Jihad of the Pen only and forbid any violence or killing in the name of God Almighty.
    4. The Ahmadis believe in living peacefully and faithfully in every country under the law of that land.
    5. Ahmadis believe in One God (Allah) and One religion (Islam) and One Prophet (Muhammad s.a.w.s.) and One book (Quran).
    6. Ahmadis believe in the seen as well as unseen things and that news of the unseen (Ghaib) is still being revealed.
    7. Ahamdis are steadfast in the five daily prayers according to the directions given by One Imam who is now, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, in London.
    8. Ahmadis believe that no one should be persecuted and turned out of his house any where in the world.
    9. Ahmadis spend out of their earnings in the way of Allah to promote Islam peacefully throughout the world.
    10. Ahmadis believe that any person belonging to any faith, if he/she is peaceful doing good deeds, has nothing to fear and will not be sorry (grieved). That such a person is not Kafir.
    11. Ahmadis want all Muslims to be good Muslims and all Christians to be good Christians and all Hindus to be good Hindus, and same for the Jews and Budhists etc.

    This list could become longer….

  145. kevin

    August 24, 2014 at 2:51 am

    Only came across this post now. Im a middle aged australian male who has been brought up to respect everyone. I have 1 wife and i see that as normal. More than 1 would be plainly morally corrupt. I am neither religious nor entirely spiritual. I am your typical silent majority australian. I know whats right and wrong, my parents and teachers instilled that and no religion has a mortgage on morals. I judge nobody until they have done ill towards me. I look after ocare for all peoples of australia, new and old.
    But, i am feeling the times coming very soon where i will need to get off my compacent arse and say enough is enough. Dont underestimate how unbeleivably angry we aussies are getting sitting back watching murderous animals slice and blow up non muslim innocents in the world. If an attack occurs in my country, which i feel is very close, you will have awoken a sleeping giant. Religious fanatacism breeds anger and death. Passivism sits on its handsas someone said Muslims arent all terrorists but all terrorists are muslims.

  146. Suzy Hager

    September 14, 2014 at 5:03 am

    Rafiq A. Tschannen

    Here is my belief. Why do we have all these religions? Buddism. Hindu. Christianity. Mormon. Islam. Catholic.

    I married a Mormon. His Mother encouraged me to read “The Book of Mormon”. I sat down and read three pages. It sounded like some “author” was writing trying to sound like the Bible.

    So at the age of 19 I realized that all religions start this way. Somebody with the talent of Tolstoy or Hemingway created a “new” religion to convince masses to do their bidding.

    For instance in the USA there is a Mormon in prison, Jeffs, for having sex with underage girls.

    When Mohammed “wrote” his book I understand he also had female issues in his life, he was being criticized for the harem and his nine year old bride. So here comes the Koran.

    Also, you mentioned your “wives”. How wonderful. Men can have more than one wife. If you have one for 47 and 19 then that means to me you wanted a young replacement!!! How do think that really made the older wife feel as she knew you were romancing a younger model? What is that fair?

    That’s why I believe in no man-concocted religion. Period.

    It’s too bad that all this world strife and suffering is happening. What if I’m right? What if it’s all a bunch of nonsense?

  147. Suzy Hager

    September 14, 2014 at 5:07 am

    Oh, I remember you saying to someone, “Who made you?”

    I believe that evidence shows we all evolved from nature. No one created us except the natural world.

  148. Ghulam Sarwar

    September 14, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Suzy Hager, Muhammad did not write his book. He was not a lettered person. He never wrote anything. I am sorry to say that your information about Islam is not from correct sources. I believe there is much evil in Islam as being practiced by the fanatics Muslims. But that is not real Islam. Real Islam is the same as the real teachings of Jesus Christ. That is peace and love through Justice.
    In Islam, even if there is permission for men to marry more than one lady but it is hardly practiced. May be one in thousands has two wives. It was practiced in Jews too. King David and Sulaiman had many wives and concubines.
    In Islam it is strictly regulated with restrictions of equal treatment to both wives. And after all, it is told to marry one One i.e. to have one wife. That is Islam and that is Quran. There is no open license to marry as many as four wives.
    If ladies number more than men in the world then it will be cruelty to some ladies to remain unmarried all their life time. Islam has strictly prohibited to have any extra marital relation. That is from the Quran. It is bad that the ladies are being made a fool by some liberal men to keep mistresses but not another wife. These things have surfaced a lot recently, in France, even to level of the highest officials having concubines. How a wife will feel if her husband had a another lady as secret consort? But if a man has another wife legally, that will not hurt the one wife so much. It is human nature. Ladies can decide what they would prefer. Their husband having another legal wife or another illegal secret relationship. Wassalam.

  149. Dorina Lisson

    September 16, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    Commendation to Ms Lambie for having the ‘guts’ to defend this country from the barbarians who want to change this world to the human brutalities of Sharia law.

    Australia is a decent civilised nation, which has humane, unbias, non-discriminative and gender equality laws. Those people who don’t like Australian laws for whatever reason, are free to leave and go live elsewhere.

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